Betrayal Trauma Recover Podcast Episode:

"How Do I Set Boundaries In My Marriage? What You Need To Know"

You can establish healthy boundaries in your marriage, post-betrayal, by following these simple guidelines to gain greater emotional safety & stability.
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  • What Does Spiritual Bypass Mean? What You Need To Know – Tracy’s Story
  • He Uses Pornography, I Need Support – What The Research Says
  • Why Won’t My Husband Fight For Our Marriage? – Kirsten’s Story
  • How The Best Betrayal Trauma Recovery Groups Saved My Life – Victim Stories
  • When Your In-Laws Are Emotionally Abusive Too – Tanya’s Story
  • 5 Ways To Spot Narcissistic Abuse – Rachel’s Story
  • Voicing The Agony of Betrayal Trauma Through Music – Ralynne’s Story
  • This is Why You’re Not Codependent – Felicia’s Story
  • How Do I Know If My Husband Is Abusive? – Coach Jo’s Story
  • 14 Emotional Abuse Survivor Stories
  • How to Start To Heal From Emotional Abuse – Penny’s Story
  • Emotional Battering: The Invisible Abuse You Need to Know About
  • My Husband Lied To Me: Call For D-Day Stories
  • Can A Husband Sexually Abuse His Wife? – Sandy’s Story
  • When Your Narcissist Ex Won’t Leave You Alone – Lee’s Story
  • Can In-Home Separation Help Me? – Lindsay’s Story
  • Women Say THIS Is The Best Support For Betrayal Trauma – Victim Stories
  • The 6 Stages Of Healing From Hidden Abuse
  • Porn Is Abuse: Here’s Why – Kathleen’s Story

    Transcript

    How do I set boundaries in my marriage when my husband is unfaithful? How do I set boundaries with my ex as we attempt to coparent our children? Is it even possible to set boundaries when my boyfriend emotionally abuses me?

    Your specific situation requires boundaries, but how do you set boundaries when everything feels confusing and intimidating? Anne shares one of the effective emotional safety strategies from The BTR.ORG Living Free Workshop.

    “Ask yourself, ‘What is making me feel unsafe? What action can I take right now – today – to put proximity between myself and the harm?”

    Anne Blythe, Founder Of BTR.ORG

    How Do I Set Boundaries When Every Time I Try Things Just Get Worse?!

    Many women in the BTR community tried for years to set boundaries, only to experience further harm and discouragement.

    Often, well-meaning professionals teach boundaries as:

    • If/Then Statements
    • Ultimatums
    • Statements of desires or values

    Unfortunately, these forms of communication don’t protect victims of emotional and psychological abuse. Instead, they often expose victims to further gaslighting, manipulation, and humiliation.

    3 Steps to Establishing Effective Safety Boundaries

    You’ll know that your boundaries are effective when you’re experiencing greater emotional and psychological safety. So how do you set boundaries in an emotionally abusive relationship?

    Identify The Cause Of The Harm

    The first step in establishing effective safety boundaries is identifying the cause of the harm:

    • Do I feel emotionally safe in my home?
    • What in particular is causing me to feel emotionally unsafe?
    • When do I feel the least emotionally safe? When do I feel the most emotionally safe?

    Ask Yourself This Question:

    After you’ve identified the cause of the harm, ask yourself: What action can I take today to separate myself as much as possible from the harm?

    As Anne shares in this episode, for some women, this means simply closing a door, blocking a phone number, or putting in headphones. For others, it may mean separation, divorce, or reporting a crime.

    Transcript: How Do I Set Boundaries In My Marriage? What You Need To Know

    Anne: It’s just me today. I’m going to talk about boundaries, because so many women are confused about how to set boundaries to be emotionally and psychologically safe. The reason so many women are confused about boundaries is because therapists and other “experts” teach women to set boundaries in a way that does not make sense.

    They basically say a boundary is stating what you will and won’t accept. And then they’ll victim blame you, and say, “If you haven’t told someone what you will and won’t accept, then it’s your fault.” Even though you already did tell him.

    So then, because the therapist tells you to, you say the thing you’ve already said. “I will not accept pornography in my home,” or “I will not be lied to,” or “I will not accept your continual emotional abuse.”

    And the therapist pats you on the back and says, “Good job.” You set a “boundary.” Because the therapist thinks, apparently once you say that, it’s supposed to solve some problems. Then, just to ensure it solves the problems, the therapist will encourage you to add a threat to it. So then, because the therapist is giving her these instructions, a woman will say, “if you use pornography again, then I won’t be intimate with you.”

    And that’s how they’ll teach you to “set boundaries.” And if that model works for you, shine on, keep using it. But most of our listeners and pretty much all the women who get services here at Betrayal Trauma Recovery are struggling. Because the way the therapist taught them to set boundaries isn’t working. and they’re wondering, what am I supposed to do? So many victims think they are the problem, because they can’t set boundaries.

    Introducing The Living Free Strategy

    Anne: And I’m like, no, no, no. It’s not you. The way they taught you to set boundaries doesn’t work. So, if you relate, I’m going to teach you the Living Free strategy for how to set boundaries that makes a lot more sense. In the Betrayal Trauma Recovery Living Free Workshop, I explain in super duper detail how to do this.

    And today I’m just going to cover a few basics. So if you’re like, “Oh, this is good. I need more of this.” Enroll in the Living Free Workshop, where I teach these effective boundaries in a detailed and strategic way. Including examples for how to set effective thought boundaries, action boundaries and communication boundaries.

    There are so many options. So the examples I share today are just a few of the tons of options you have when it comes to setting effective boundaries. And I outline more examples in The BTR.ORG Living Free Workshop. I’m going to use many metaphors throughout this whole episode to illustrate these points.

    Metaphor: Property Line & Trespassing

    Anne: Here’s a metaphor about how a woman would determine how to set boundaries and whether a boundary is effective. You know where your property line is. And your neighbor keeps coming onto your private property without your permission. So you build a fence. But he climbs over the fence.

    So then you write him a letter and you say, “Please stop climbing over my fence. Don’t enter my property without my permission.” But he keeps doing it. So then you set up a camera, and the camera records him climbing over the fence. And you write another letter and you say, I have evidence that you’re climbing over the fence. Please stop. But he doesn’t. So then you call the police and show them the footage.

    And they arrest him for trespassing. He makes bail. And that could be the end of it. But he has a good defense attorney, and not even the court system can make him stop. So then you evolve your boundaries more to keep trying to protect yourself from this person. But this guy just won’t stop. And you have had it, and you are ready to completely be done with this chaos in your life.

    So you decide to move to an apartment with a doorman, that doesn’t have a yard. You show the doorman a picture of what he looks like. You’ll never have to worry, because he won’t get into the building. Because he won’t get past the doorman. That’s how you can know if your boundary is effective. Has your boundary actually separated you from the harm?

    How Do I Set Boundaries: Emotional & Psychological Abuse

    Anne: So I want to take you through how this might work with emotional and psychological abuse. Statements like, you cannot treat me this way. I will not allow this in my home, they are just statements. They cannot keep you safe, so they’re not a boundary. With a couple therapists, addiction recovery therapists, or non-BTR coaches, if you’re doing “boundary work.” And they’re telling you to list things you will and will not tolerate to give him.

    Then along with that list, next to those so-called boundaries, write a threat of what you’re going to do if he does it again. Let’s first talk about that list. It’s okay to list things that he does that make you feel unsafe. But it’s not strategic to give it to him. The BTR.ORG Living Free Workshop gives a detailed explanation with a bunch of reasons why it’s not recommended to give this list to anyone. Not even your husband, not even your abusive husband’s therapist.

    Although you can share it. Or create it with one of our Betrayal Trauma Recovery coaches, because she’s never going to talk to him.

    The Importance Of Emotional & Psychological Safety

    Anne: Having a safe person who was 100% on your side is so important. Because many women, when they come to Betrayal Trauma Recovery, haven’t even thought about their emotional and psychological safety. Which is an important step for sure. The Living Free Workshop will take you through that step-by-step. But that list in itself doesn’t create safety.

    The whole point is to be emotionally, psychologically, and physically safe, because emotional and psychological abuse feels like a punch to the gut. So how do I set effective boundaries? So think of it this way. There’s a man with a metaphorical club, and he’s hitting you on the head with this club. And you tell him to stop. He doesn’t stop. Then you tell him again, and he doesn’t.

    Ask any abuse victim, does his emotional and psychological abuse affect you physically? And they’re like, absolutely. I couldn’t get out of bed. I was so sick to my stomach and couldn’t eat. And I was so stressed that I got migraines. For most women, if they tell their emotionally abusive husband, stop making fun of me. Sometimes he’ll stop doing that thing.

    But we find that he’ll just do another emotionally abusive thing, something else. He’s like, “Okay, I couldn’t get through that way. I’ll try it a different way.”

    And then you’re just in the same situation where you’re constantly telling him, “Hey, be a basic, decent human being.” And he keeps finding ways to not meet the lowest bar.

    How Do I Set Boundaries: Mental & Physical Actions for Safety

    Once you understand the safety issues, you can work from there to determine what actions you’re going to take. They can be mental actions. They can be physical actions. A boundary is something that keeps his abuse at a distance. So he can’t exploit you, oppress you or cause chaos in your life, even though he continues to try. There are many levels of effective boundaries. I detail a lot in the Living Free Workshop. It gives specific directions for, how do I set boundaries?

    But for this episode, let’s take the classic example of blocking someone on your phone. Many women are triggered by text alerts or phone calls. It’s common for a woman who resists abuse and attempts to maintain her dignity. To respond to an abusive text by texting back. I’m not going to talk to you. Please stop texting me. Which still leaves the door open for him to write back and abuse you more.

    Instead, if you block their number, they can’t call or text you, and you don’t even know that they called or texted. There’s nothing they can do about it. Nothing says I’m not going to talk to you, like blocking them on your phone. And since we’re going for safety, not responding and blocking is the most effective strategy. If you have kids and have to communicate with him, that’s what the Betrayal Trauma Recovery Message Workshop is for.

    The message workshop builds on the principles of Living Free. So after you finish all the Living Free lessons, the message workshop will be available to you.

    Understanding Different Levels Of Boundaries

    Anne: If all this seems extreme, if you’re like, whoa. The Living Free Workshop covers different levels of effective boundaries. The Living Free Workshop covers mental boundaries to keep your thoughts and emotions safe from his emotional and psychological abuse.

    So if you’re interested in different types of effective boundaries, the Living Free Workshop will take you through how to identify the harm. And then how to determine how do I set boundaries and which boundary will be effective for me in my situation.

    We want to get you to safety as quickly as possible. So that you can observe from an emotionally safe distance, from a psychologically safe distance. And see what type of character he really has. Because the way the therapists and so-called experts tell you to do it, I think is completely backwards. You don’t have to tell them, “If you use pornography, I won’t be intimate with you.” Because he already did it. He’s currently too unsafe to be with right now.

    And for your own safety, you don’t need to tell him why you don’t want to be with him. You don’t have to tell him that you feel unsafe. You don’t have to decide beforehand what you’ll do.

    Functioning, responsible, mature adults don’t need to be told, “If you lie to me, I feel unsafe. And so I’m going to set a boundary.” Mature adults don’t need that. A functioning adult and mature person would know that when you lie to someone, they’re going to get hurt. Effective boundaries are what you need to feel safe. They’re not what he needs.

    Boundaries Help You To Be Safe

    Anne: So if you know what you need to feel emotionally and psychologically safe. You can move towards safety now without babysitting an adult man. Without communicating with an emotional abuser who’s going to weaponize your emotions against you.

    Women feel empowered when they realize they can take action and create a barrier. When they know how do I set boundaries. Whether emotional, mental, or physical, keep themselves away from the harm. Whether he understands what you’re doing. You don’t have to tell him why you’re doing it and you don’t have to explain it, nothing. You can just make your way to safety.

    Again, the The Living Free Workshop has practical detailed instructions, including a workbook to process your thoughts and feelings. So to help you understand these principles about effective boundaries on a deeper level, here’s a metaphor for you.

    Metaphor: How Would You Keep Yourself Safe If Someone Had Ebola?

    Anne: Let’s say your husband has late stage Ebola. He has blood dripping out of his eyes. He’s coughing up blood. And because you’re resisting Ebola, right? This seems dangerous. You’re like, we need help. Let’s go to couple therapy. So you both get into the car and drive to couple therapy. And the therapist says to you, “Make a list of all the diseases you don’t want to get. Because you can’t expect him to not give you a disease. Unless you’ve communicated that with him.”

    In the meantime, the therapist is handing your husband Kleenex after Kleenex, so the blood doesn’t drip down your husband’s face and onto the therapist’s couch. And so you write. “I don’t want to get Ebola. I don’t want to get an STD.” You write all the diseases you don’t want to get.

    Then your therapist says to your husband, “Okay. She doesn’t want Ebola.” As if he didn’t know this before, a functioning adult man should know that no one wants to get Ebola. Apparently, the therapist thinks he’s a total imbecile. Which he’s not, he knows people don’t want to get Ebola. But he’s manipulating the therapist, and the therapist somehow falls for it, as if Chuck has never heard anywhere that people don’t want to get Ebola.

    The therapist says, okay. She doesn’t want Ebola. So next time you get Ebola, she’s going to, and the therapist pauses and looks at you, like, “What are you going to do?” You think about it and you say, “Oh, okay, if you get Ebola again, I’m not going to have sleep with you.”

    Continuing With Ebola Metaphor

    Anne: The therapist nods and says, “Okay, this will take time to heal from Ebola. But it’s possible. Remember, your husband’s not the enemy. The Ebola is the enemy. I know you can beat this if you love and support each other.” After the therapy appointment, you both get in the car. and drive home. What’s going to happen to you? You’re going to get Ebola. You’ve been in an enclosed space with someone who’s highly contagious.

    So an effective boundary would be that you never ever are in an enclosed space with someone with Ebola. You’re not going to even drive them to the hospital, because you would be in the same car with them. It’s just too dangerous. You’re going to immediately distance yourself from someone with late stage Ebola. If they want help healing from Ebola, they can call 911 and get themselves to the hospital.

    All you need to do is keep your distance until he’s 100% better, with absolutely no Ebola symptoms whatsoever. And I’m going to keep on with this metaphor. Let’s pretend you can get Ebola through phone calls and texts, and he knows that. So he’s in the hospital, but he’s texting you and calling you and FaceTiming you. And that’s putting you at risk for Ebola. Which again, he knows, but he doesn’t care.

    Creating A Protective Barrier That Actually Keeps You Safe

    Anne: You might be like, if a text comes through, it will have Ebola germs on it. I need to keep myself safe. I am blocking him on my phone. You don’t need to tell him that your goal is not to get Ebola, because that’s obvious. Normal adults know that if they have Ebola, they need to isolate themselves until they have no symptoms. Since he can emotionally and psychologically abuse you through talking to you, phone calls, texts, and communication.

    So, when you think about boundaries, when anybody says you need boundaries, the effective way to set boundaries is to create a protective barrier that actually keeps you safe from the harm. Like a tornado shelter. You don’t have to tell the tornado that you’re getting in the shelter.

    You just get in the shelter. Or like a lifeboat in shark infested waters. You don’t have to tell the sharks why you’re getting in the lifeboat. You just get in the lifeboat. All right, enough of the metaphors.

    Real-Life Example: When Carol Set Boundaries

    Anne: Now let’s talk about actual stories that illustrate this, one woman in our community. I’ll call her Carol. Before she found Betrayal Trauma Recovery, she was resisting his emotional and psychological abuse and his coercion the best way she knew how. She resisted his abuse by “setting a boundary” that her husband needed to go to pornography addiction recovery therapy or she would move out. He found himself a therapist, but her husband seemed like he was getting worse.

    Carol again, resisting the abuse, decided to go to one of the appointments so she could explain the true situation to the therapist. When she went, Carol observed that the therapist her husband chose was a young, beautiful woman. Who seemed friendly with her husband. And thought her husband was insightful and mature. She was kind of enamored with him. Carol was super alarmed, so in an effort to resist abuse, she set another “boundary.”

    She said, “You have to find a pornography addiction recovery therapist, a certified CSAT who is male.” So her husband found himself a male therapist. But things continued to be bad for Carol. The entire time this was happening, she was exposed to his emotional and psychological abuse. Even though she was resisting abuse and doing the best she could.

    Those boundaries that she set that he needed to go to therapy. And then the second one that he needed a male therapist didn’t do anything to protect her from his abuse. When she found Betrayal Trauma Recovery, she was so traumatized and exhausted.

    She enrolled in the Living Free Workshop, and started implementing the effective boundary strategies she learned in the Living Free Workshop.

    Real-Life Example: When Olivia Set Boundaries

    Anne: And started to create distance between herself and his emotional and psychological abuse. So she wasn’t subjected to the harm while she observed to see what he was going to do.

    Another one of our community members, who I’ll call Olivia, was going through a divorce. And with every child exchange her soon to be ex was writing crazy messages, changing up the exchange times, just causing absolute chaos. The Living Free strategies laid the foundation for her to know what he was trying to do. And then how to combat that with strategic communication.

    After she was done with that Living Free Workshop. She learned how to write strategic messages in the Betrayal Trauma Recovery Message Workshop. And then worked with a Betrayal Trauma Recovery Coach to implement these strategies. She knew how to set boundaries, and was able to set effective boundaries so that his chaos couldn’t touch her anymore. It was amazing.

    Real-Life Example: When Elise Set Boundaries

    Anne: Another one of our community members, who I’ll call Elise, attended Betrayal Trauma Recovery Group Sessions when she found out her husband had been lying about his recovery from pornography addiction. He had told her that he was sober. But then she found out that he’d been using pornography almost daily since he started 12 step a year earlier. Because she completed all the lessons in The Living Free Workshop, she knew exactly what to do. She knew how do I set boundaries.

    With the help of one of our Betrayal Trauma Recovery Coaches in Individual Sessions, she processed what had happened, and thought about what actions she could take to actually separate herself from his emotional and psychological abuse without talking to him. In Elise’s case, she decided to gather her kids and her stuff. She got a burner phone, so he couldn’t track her location, and left her phone and went to her mom’s house.

    She said, “I was finally able to think straight without manipulation, 24/7.” He called my mom and asked if I was there. I told her to tell him the truth. So she said, “Yeah, she’s here, but she doesn’t feel like talking.” She’ll reach out when she feels better.

    Elise was able to escape his psychological and emotional abuse. And this helped her get in touch with her intuition. Elise said, “I’m learning how to trust myself again. It’s a miracle what I can see when I’m not blinded by his manipulation and chaos.”

    Let Me Know How You Have Set Boundaries

    Anne: We have an awesome illustrated video that gives an example of how to set boundaries that does not involve blocking him on your phone or going to your mom’s house with a burner phone. Because at Betrayal Trauma Recovery, we think you can set effective boundaries in any way that feels comfortable to you. So you know, how do I set boundaries.

    If you have questions about boundaries, you can ask them at the bottom of the transcription, in the comments, and I’ll respond. You can also comment about your experience. Have you tried to set boundaries the way the therapist or so-called experts recommend? Did it work for you? Alternatively, have you tried implementing the strategy to set effective boundaries I teach in the Living Free Workshop? I’m anxious to hear your thoughts.

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      1. Joan

        FINALLY a clear explanation about boundaries! I liked this part the beast: “ You can take action and create a barrier to keep you safe, whether or not he understands it. You don’t have to tell him what it’s for. You don’t have to explain it. You can just set the boundary and be safe. ”

        The old fashioned methods of making him sleep on the couch or kicking him out of the house or “I’m leaving for mother’s “ were all actions that attempted to keep a wife safe.

        I wish I had done any of those when I first found out about some of the cheating. The sad thing is I didn’t know about most of the cheating until I had my self esteem ground down. I moved with my husband frequently & lost friends, I had several children, quit work & was dependent on him. That led me to NOT kick him out when I found out.

        Trying to read books on boundaries or discussing boundaries in 12 step groups led me to think the cheating was all my fault because ”I didn’t set a boundary, “ or because ”I never had boundaries.“

        In reality, MARRIAGE was the boundary that my husband chose to repeatedly violate, most often hiding it from me. He does know the adult behaviors of not lying, not looking at porn, not going to prostitutes, etc, & that’s WHY he chose to conceal his actions from me.

        I think my desperation to not lose my marriage & our current life with the kids made me seek solutions that I thought were possible. Like just trying to make him understand! He did understand. And what he probably understood better than me is that he would continue to do those behaviors and that I was easy to lie to, manipulate, & hide things from. And that I would work hard to keep our marriage going, so hard that he didn’t have to do much at all!

        Now, after many years, I ask myself, is that really the kind of man I want to be with?

        But it took years to learn to see reality & ask myself that question. And years to learn from trial & error & grief & frustration that what I could do were the things that make me feel safe & be safe, such as no sex, not depending on his answers, taking full control over the checking/savings/bill paying, & not discussing my thoughts & feelings with him because they DO NOT matter to him!

        It is refreshing to read this transcript. I have come to believe that if a man cheats or does porn or other unacceptable actions & hides them, he knows his wife would be upset. If he keeps doing them, he will not change NO MATTER what the wife does or doesn’t do. The only answer is to get herself to safety which means to get away from him.

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      2. Rachel

        Does anyone know of groups out there for kids that are now adults that grew up with their parents like what you’ve talked about in this podcast? Thank you

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        • Dovid B

          I have found that ACA (Adult Children of Alcoholics and Dysfunctional Families) 12 step groups are very helpful for dealing with issues stepping from how our defective parents raised us.

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      3. Paula

        I really resonated with this podcast. Exactly right. Adults deserve respect. Let’s show them the respect they deserve, and hold them to the standard they pretend to believe in. I do not have to spell out to the abuser that discovering his actual actions in life are the exact opposite of the person he has pretended to be for almost 20 years makes me feel unsafe. If I am not responsible for his actions, it is also not up to me to think up an “effective boundary” to stop his actions. It is up to me to be an adult, respect and protect myself. It is up to me to impose a barrier that prevents harm. I could not agree more. Excellent podcast.

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        • Anne Blythe

          I’m so glad you found it helpful!

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      4. Wendy

        Thank you! Your straight forward explanation truly help me see what I need to do to be safe.

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        • Anne Blythe

          I’m so glad you found this explanation of boundaries to be helpful! Emotional safety, when it comes to emotional abuse always needs to be the number 1 priority.

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      5. Patricia R. Langdon

        I googled how to set boundary because I am too involved in his recovery – own wounded trauma spilling over to our 35 years of marriage including 25 year affair that I only recently discovered. I thought he just didn’t love me any longer and esteem whittled a way. Now thinking I will have to move out if I can’t set a boundary that stops him further harming me emotionally, thankfully not physically, but trying to reclaim myself.

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      6. Bev

        I’m still not clear. I’ve asked my husband to stop the porn and all the communication with girls online because I feel very uncomfortable and hurt. He just hides all night (I won’t allow him to sleep with me)saying he’s playing games on his phone. He refuses to leave. He can’t stay off his phone and doesn’t mind if i leave the room. Is divorce the only hope left?

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        • Anne

          The BTR.ORG Living Free Workshop will launch VERY soon! Rather than think about divorce, we recommend this workshop for women in your situation to first learn foundational thought, boundary, and communication strategies to establish emotional safety:).

          Reply

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